Any thoughtform, if you believe they are magical, can internally do "magical" tasks. Like lie to you about being able to interact with the astral plane convincingly=D
1:42 AM
And sincerely believe it.
1:42 AM
It has nothing to do with whether they have free will or personality; you still dictate who they are with your beliefs.
1:42 AM
Free will is an illusion.
1:43 AM
And servitors are pure will, for that matter, pure thought.
1:43 AM
They are not unsentient - They are sentience without preconception.
I recently asked my tulpa to do something specific to prove a point and she did just that the day after so I guess tulpa can be used as a medium for doing magic
I dabbled in magic when I was a youth. But personally I've come to realize it was poetry combined with hypnosis. I cannot currently say magic is in any way real. But self-suggestion is very real, and it has all the effects that magic claims to do - so long as they are not external.
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1:54 AM
You can have revelatory visions and the like; you can uncover deep truths and new sensations that are unlike anything else. But y'cant hex someone. It simply doesn't work.
? I don't see a contradiction there. That's in fact; what I'm saying. Everything you sense can be influenced by belief. To the point of radically altering how you perceive reality; even when reality actually is static and predictable and in contradiction to your beliefs.
2:01 AM
You decide what is real to you, in a way. But it's your perception influencing your reality, not your perception directly influencing reality.(edited)
2:02 AM
When we seriously test thoughtforms like servitors on their ability to do things like telepathy; they simply fail.
2:03 AM
But yet the hosts claim the powers that are mysterious, or sometimes they fail to understand them. Even when they can't get any sort of mathematical improvement over random guesses of what others are thinking.
2:03 AM
It's entirely internal. Without question, and provably.
2:06 AM
Still; I think such abilities are useful. They are a path to numinous experiences that I most definitely do not discount. I just wish there were a way to teach them without teaching magic at the same time. Hypnosis and autosuggestion seem to leave people with a more clinical-feel even though they are the same thing.
the word magic is poetical and encompasses many unexplained phenomenon which can't still be discredited, I personally (like many I guess) experience such stuff on a daily basis
We are excellent predictive machines. But it's another thing to, along with a hundred other prospects, to reliably show that humans can predict the future in dreams
Actually there are; or were. If I recall rightly there was a fund set up of a million dollars set up exclusively to offer to anyone who could prove literally any supernatural phenomena
Do you think it is beyond your brain to manifest an experience at any time?
2:21 AM
When you look out of your eyes, what it is that you think your brain is doing if not passing data to your experience from your eyes and making sense of it first in a way that's completely dissociated from how your eyes actually regard that data?
Eyes are pretty funky. There's an area of the brain devoted to processing the data that they absorb
2:22 AM
And then there is the thalamus, which collates all data and decides what to pass along. It's here that identity seems to partially arise, because this is where we associate or dissociate from data.
The Law of Truly Large Numbers. With 7 billion people on the planet each having multiple dreams per night, each with multiple elements/themes, which can often be abstract and match multiple different possible events, dreams that seem to predict reality actually would be expected to happen with stunning regularity.
nods It works. The extra step helps me too. It allows me to create strong physical experiences.
But there's nothing magical about it to me. I just see suggestion and hypnosis. Greater submission caused by greater belief.
No; on you. Also if there was a real bird there, do you really think it's anomalous that after waiting several months a crow decided to land on a fence?
2:31 AM
Imposition is characterizable by a certain feeling of unrealness that is difficult to place, even when they are powerful hallucinations. Presuming you didn't feel this it was likely just straight up a bird.
I suppose I would would put my current view as this: I transitioned away from where you are now, but it wasn't a loss of the kinds of experiences you're getting. It doesn't have to be the end of that kind of thing.
Instead I feel now as if I recognize that my brain is in abject control over its reality, and I can now make steps to control it directly in ways that required mystical belief before.
2:46 AM
So... I don't encourage you to question your worldview in the way that will demolish your ability to achieve these things.
Instead, revel, and consider that you might be in control of the whole process with joy rather than that kind of skeptical anxiety.
„i want to see a black bird there”
Waits a couple of months, meanwhile trillions of bird landings happen around the world, one of which happens on neighbour’s house
„Success!! I manifested it!”
10:19 AM
I remember back when i was 20 when I could manipulate the weather even against weather forecast predictions with 100% success rate (edited)
10:23 AM
Or even summoned a double rainbow at first try (edited)
10:24 AM
But it’s a bit how toddlers and children perceive the world - „everything happens because of me”
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10:30 AM
The rainbow situation was pretty interesting though, I felt sad and wanted rainbow to appear „in the next 5min”, it appeared and I was like omg ok it might be accident, in order to prove it’s me I want it to be double rainbow, and here it was, first double rainbow I saw in my life in the next 10seconds (edited)
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But it’s a bit how toddlers and children perceive the world - „everything happens because of me”
Only people explaining things with magic would say “i don’t understand it so it’s magic so i understand it”, logic doesn’t provide a shortcut like that(edited)
3:05 PM
And sometimes the most logical answers are “i don’t know” or “i don’t know but here are a few potential explanations”
Zen because of your knowledge of mystical tradition things, and your materialistic perspective, I have some questions on some things. I get giving the servitor a name and an imaginary form for symbolic interaction and destruction. Making a wax doll sometimes wrapped in silk (Franz Bardon) may serve some of the same purposes (Except the wax doll can't change colour like an imaginary doll can). But what's that about converting its name into gematria and plotting its sigil on a magic square and praying to one of the four elemental kings or mercury or the moon (This pdf)? And what about using a gnostic state in thoughtform creation? Also hydrix#4517 said, about elementaries made of mental "elements", the process would not work for most people, because what actually happens is rather than creating a tulpa the person creates an external entity that he can not talk to because he needs telepathy for that, and further tulpa forcing just creates an ordinary tulpa separate from the external entity. He said this was a common problem.(edited)
The majority of the things you just asked about are just various symbolic mechanisms. The rituals don't matter so much as you understand them; you believe in them, and importantly you emotionally resonate with them.
The Gnostic state is directly related to Hypnosis - It is the state of being utterly absorbed in something when you are most suggestible.
5:08 PM
As for the statement that tulpas are external entities and can't be talked to without telepathy is just... No. Tulpas are entirely internal thoughtforms. They are only experienced by others who are showing group hallucinatory behaviour and who have bought into your beliefs, which means they're doing it themselves too.
5:14 PM
I was unfamiliar with gematria but in Chaos Magic there is such a thing as sigils. The idea behind these things is that you do some mental work and make something akin to a distillation of their idea in symbolic form. The thing is: there isn't a fixed way to do this in chaos magic because they acknowledge that the ritual irrelevant. Gematria seems to be their particular flavour of symbolism that they like to use.
5:15 PM
The purpose of a symbol like that is to be able to focus on the entirety of your intent without any steps. It's programming for the servitor's purpose.
5:19 PM
As for this document, what is being described here isn't a servitor, it's a local spirit according to chaos magic, which is closer to a tulpa, though not usually presumed to be as intelligent or equal. Servitors do not "coach" or display human interaction or they cease to be servitors. At least according to chaos magic. Semantically though the term is being misused here.
Hmm yes hmm I see hmm BUT ALSO hydrix#4517 did not say that tulpas were external entities, rather he said that it was a common problem that people would try making something out of mental "elements" and talk to it as though it were a tulpa and end up creating an ordinary tulpa, while also there is a non-tulpa external entity made from mental "elements" they can't talk to because they don't have telepathy.
I could materialistically speculate and say that what people think is telepathy with a spirit is actually just their mind making it up, and there may be something about making a thing from mental "elements" that makes some sort of thoughtform that differs somehow from an ordinary tulpa, but is still essentially in your own brain, so its destruction by getting into a bath and shooting it through its heart with a beam of energy from your finger and destroying its doll are just symbolic ways of interacting with your own brain.
hydrix#4517 said it was a common problem so maybe you had heard of this specific problem or maybe not.
Her mindvoice is not very clear andmsounds almost exactly like mine
That's pretty normal, especially at first. Once it's easier to identify her thoughts, her mindvoice will automatically become more distinct over time.
In the meantime, it may help for Lynn to pick a voice she thinks her voice sounds similar too. For instance, an actress from a movie or a female character in a tv show(edited)
I've struggling trying to create a tulpa. I've been trying to create one since yesterday but I can't seem to focus for literally 30 seconds because of my ADHD. Also because of that Im hopping around different steps every 5 seconds and dont seem to be making any progress (maybe I am I don't know) I can barely imagine myself in Wonderland as it is, so I was wondering if anyone has any tips for concentrating and getting less distracted? Thanks a bunch!
lemme ask you some other things though:
1. are you 100% sure you want to create one?
2.are you emotionally and mentally stable?
3.what are your expectations?
I may not be as helpful as others but tell yourself you're making progress because you're trying hard wanting to gotta believe in that too. why not do something that requires a casual concentration such as watching a show you like, playing video games, listening to music or even bike/work and in the meantime you can narrate/passive force whenever you feel like it? maybe you'll get inspired, you can always change your wonderland but for now you can do a simple dorm if the imagery part is the hard part or if you're unsure what you want
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lemme ask you some other things though:
1. are you 100% sure you want to create one?
2.are you emotionally and mentally stable?
3.what are your expectations?
1: yes, I'm 100% sure I want to make one. I've read through the Google doc guide and understand what's been said.
2: I would say I'm emotionally and mentally stable. I do have my down days every once and a while but other than that I'd like to think so
3: I don't know what you mean by expecations
Kelvin ☕
I may not be as helpful as others but tell yourself you're making progress because you're trying hard wanting to gotta believe in that too. why not do something that requires a casual concentration such as watching a show you like, playing video games, listening to music or even bike/work and in the meantime you can narrate/passive force whenever you feel like it? maybe you'll get inspired, you can always change your wonderland but for now you can do a simple dorm if the imagery part is the hard part or if you're unsure what you want
I'll try definitely try this out thank you! my wonderland isn't too complicated actually is honestly just a curved sofa and a small coffee table
TrueRroo
I've struggling trying to create a tulpa. I've been trying to create one since yesterday but I can't seem to focus for literally 30 seconds because of my ADHD. Also because of that Im hopping around different steps every 5 seconds and dont seem to be making any progress (maybe I am I don't know) I can barely imagine myself in Wonderland as it is, so I was wondering if anyone has any tips for concentrating and getting less distracted? Thanks a bunch!
I also have the ADHD. In terms of ADHD-specific advice:
1) Understand that there really are no steps or processes. Remove the idea that this some sort of scientific step-by-step process and know that at the end of the day what you need to give to a tulpa is simply time.
2) It's absolutely vital to me that I make sure forcing is about seeking pleasure in the now with them rather than some sort of abstract future goal. Consider what it is that you want to get out of your tulpa and understand that you can actually have that now, if you accept that you can. You don't need to wait for more development.
What makes me put monstrous amounts of time into things is enjoyment, and anything else probably isn't going to be something I can maintain easily, even if I wanted to. But having a mental waifu and/or husbando is about having fun, so it doesn't have to be that way.
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